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		<title>Comment on How to be Right by Nate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 02:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s very hard for people to change their ideas. Even when we know that there&#039;s a bias toward keeping beliefs we already have, it&#039;s extremely hard to correct for.

Add that to the fact that in the face of argument, humans have a tendency to buckle down; if someone believes in something, any argument generally strengthens the belief.

I&#039;ve actually changed my parent&#039;s minds about nuclear energy, so it&#039;s not as if changing people&#039;s minds is impossible. I&#039;ve found the argument tactics that work for me are as follows:

1) Don&#039;t present the idea as an adversarial position. Talk about something you&#039;re genuinely interested in; not because they have the opposite view, but because you want to talk about it.
2) Don&#039;t push. If someone is getting defensive, it means they&#039;re starting to dig in, and all you succeed in doing if you continue is to make yourself the bad guy. 
3) Mention your opinion if the situation comes up, but let the subject drop if other people don&#039;t want to talk about it. If, on the other hand, they ask you about it, answer honestly and completely.

Obviously, as someone who professes rationalism, I&#039;d like to think that I am swayed by good argument alone. I have to admit though, that, even knowing my biases, I&#039;m much more likely to be swayed in engaging conversation than in argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s very hard for people to change their ideas. Even when we know that there&#8217;s a bias toward keeping beliefs we already have, it&#8217;s extremely hard to correct for.</p>
<p>Add that to the fact that in the face of argument, humans have a tendency to buckle down; if someone believes in something, any argument generally strengthens the belief.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve actually changed my parent&#8217;s minds about nuclear energy, so it&#8217;s not as if changing people&#8217;s minds is impossible. I&#8217;ve found the argument tactics that work for me are as follows:</p>
<p>1) Don&#8217;t present the idea as an adversarial position. Talk about something you&#8217;re genuinely interested in; not because they have the opposite view, but because you want to talk about it.<br />
2) Don&#8217;t push. If someone is getting defensive, it means they&#8217;re starting to dig in, and all you succeed in doing if you continue is to make yourself the bad guy.<br />
3) Mention your opinion if the situation comes up, but let the subject drop if other people don&#8217;t want to talk about it. If, on the other hand, they ask you about it, answer honestly and completely.</p>
<p>Obviously, as someone who professes rationalism, I&#8217;d like to think that I am swayed by good argument alone. I have to admit though, that, even knowing my biases, I&#8217;m much more likely to be swayed in engaging conversation than in argument.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Pro-Nuke Environmentalist by Standard Deviations From the Beaten Path &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How to be Right</title>
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		<dc:creator>Standard Deviations From the Beaten Path &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How to be Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 17:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I argued with friends about nuclear power or the population of the planet, I didn&#8217;t convince anyone of anything. Not because I was [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I argued with friends about nuclear power or the population of the planet, I didn&#8217;t convince anyone of anything. Not because I was [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Publishing Cryptozoology (Legitimately) by beast legends</title>
		<link>http://www.onesigmaoff.net/?p=228&#038;cpage=1#comment-16880</link>
		<dc:creator>beast legends</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 15:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article. 

Unfortunately many people are put off by some of the more unbelievable claims by enthusiasts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article. </p>
<p>Unfortunately many people are put off by some of the more unbelievable claims by enthusiasts.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Pro-Nuke Environmentalist by apfergus</title>
		<link>http://www.onesigmaoff.net/?p=387&#038;cpage=1#comment-16864</link>
		<dc:creator>apfergus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 22:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, mg, you&#039;re correct. I didn&#039;t intend for those two numbers to be directly comparable, but then forgot to explain as you just pointed out. None the less, death by car accident is still more likely by a mighty margin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, mg, you&#8217;re correct. I didn&#8217;t intend for those two numbers to be directly comparable, but then forgot to explain as you just pointed out. None the less, death by car accident is still more likely by a mighty margin.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Pro-Nuke Environmentalist by mg</title>
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		<dc:creator>mg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 09:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you say that the probability of nuclear incident is 2e-8 e 5e-11 *per year* .
and then the probability of car incident is 1.9e-2   ... per year??
it feel really wrong to me. 

according to wolfram the correct probability seem to me 19e-5, or 0.019% .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you say that the probability of nuclear incident is 2e-8 e 5e-11 *per year* .<br />
and then the probability of car incident is 1.9e-2   &#8230; per year??<br />
it feel really wrong to me. </p>
<p>according to wolfram the correct probability seem to me 19e-5, or 0.019% .</p>
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		<title>Comment on NYT Opinion Piece on Bayes Theorem by apfergus</title>
		<link>http://www.onesigmaoff.net/?p=383&#038;cpage=1#comment-16862</link>
		<dc:creator>apfergus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 04:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, that&#039;s kind of what I was thinking. The NYT article spins it as if it&#039;s an alternative to Bayes theorem, but it really just seems like a different language to describe the same thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that&#8217;s kind of what I was thinking. The NYT article spins it as if it&#8217;s an alternative to Bayes theorem, but it really just seems like a different language to describe the same thing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on NYT Opinion Piece on Bayes Theorem by kumarei</title>
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		<dc:creator>kumarei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 04:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure if this is a reworking of Bayes Theorem, so much as a different way of thinking about it. Eliezer Yudkowsky mentions that it&#039;s much easier to get an intuitive idea of the answer to such a problem by using the natural frequencies method in his article &quot;An Intuitive Explanation of Bayes&#039; Theorem&quot; (http://yudkowsky.net/rational/bayes). He also mentions that the larger the numbers you use in the substitution, the easier it is to intuit the answer.

Definitely a useful technique, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure if this is a reworking of Bayes Theorem, so much as a different way of thinking about it. Eliezer Yudkowsky mentions that it&#8217;s much easier to get an intuitive idea of the answer to such a problem by using the natural frequencies method in his article &#8220;An Intuitive Explanation of Bayes&#8217; Theorem&#8221; (<a href="http://yudkowsky.net/rational/bayes" rel="nofollow">http://yudkowsky.net/rational/bayes</a>). He also mentions that the larger the numbers you use in the substitution, the easier it is to intuit the answer.</p>
<p>Definitely a useful technique, though.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Pro-Nuke Environmentalist by kumarei</title>
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		<dc:creator>kumarei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 03:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is going to become a much more accepted viewpoint. Our generation never experienced a bad nuclear meltdown, and I think that lets us look at nuclear power in a more objective light.

More than that, I think even the baby boomer generation is reexamining the idea of nuclear power. Now that we&#039;re finally discovering how harmful coal can be, it&#039;s seeming more and more reasonable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is going to become a much more accepted viewpoint. Our generation never experienced a bad nuclear meltdown, and I think that lets us look at nuclear power in a more objective light.</p>
<p>More than that, I think even the baby boomer generation is reexamining the idea of nuclear power. Now that we&#8217;re finally discovering how harmful coal can be, it&#8217;s seeming more and more reasonable.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Pro-Nuke Environmentalist by apfergus</title>
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		<dc:creator>apfergus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 03:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For sure that probably still gnaws at some people. Three Mile Island was almost a complete non-issue, though. People got really scared because containment was broken, but then the levels of radiation dispersed were negligible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For sure that probably still gnaws at some people. Three Mile Island was almost a complete non-issue, though. People got really scared because containment was broken, but then the levels of radiation dispersed were negligible.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Pro-Nuke Environmentalist by Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 02:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chernobyl isn&#039;t the ONLY reason...there was also Three Mile Island. But that wasn&#039;t the reactor&#039;s fault ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chernobyl isn&#8217;t the ONLY reason&#8230;there was also Three Mile Island. But that wasn&#8217;t the reactor&#8217;s fault <img src='http://www.onesigmaoff.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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